it's time we ccame out of the closet

[Anonymous]

i read this board most everyday. and i think it's time for me to comment on what i have seen in several postings. and that is that more people would be into this if they knew about it. i seem to remember some kind of ad the N.R.A. ran in respect to the shooting sports and also the fourwheeling industry talk about how to get people tp join in their respective movements i.e. sports. i think we who are interested need to work to expand this ourselves by initiating conversations about it any time we meet some one who shows interest. i know most of the people here are shy but if you want a partner to share your interest some one has to mke the first move. the other outlet is the oldest profession it seems if a woman will let you poke her for money she ought to be willing to pee for money. look at it this way gays and lesbians hid their lifestyle for how long now look where they are it just took a great ad campiagn is all. why not watersports? it sure is a popular topic on the worldwide web.

[Larry Lamb]

Your logic on the homosexuality thing is way off base!!! images/smiles/icon_confused.gif

I have no idea what ad campaign you are referring to, but homosexuality has become more accepted as a result of the fight for human rights. It is not some lifestyle choice but people's sexuality!!

There is some validity to what you are saying - that wetting does no-one any harm and that we as free individuals should be allowed to indulge in it if we so wish, and certainly societal norms are a major factor in preventing many people speaking out about their fetish, but the difference is wetting is only part of our sexuality (gay or straight), it is an expression - being gay IS sexuality. The two are not really comparable.

[Anonymous]

Yes there are alot more people into this than who accually come to thease boards or indeed who even know this is a recognised fetish with a web site, i know because when ive been turned on and fancy some fun i will often enter chat rooms (totaly annomunusly) not sex rooms, but whatever takes my fancy at the time, i will then post somthing like im on a long train or bus trip using my laptop and that im desperate to pee etc, you wouldnt believe the number of men (and gals) that show interest and want a private chat with me to "help me hold on" you can tell there enjoying it and some even say "i dont know why but your arousing me with this situation"

[quietpr]

To Larry...

There was a gay and lesbian rights "ad campaign"...that's kind of a bad way to put it, but it was indoctrinated into society by "advertising" the information about that aspect of human sexuality...you don't think the attention received by the gay pride parades qualifies as advertising? How about the ribbon they wore continuously throughout the 70's/80's...(heck some still do)...or the ring? That is advertising.

BTW...I think WS and gay/lesbian rights are slightly more comparable than you think...in that for some people WS takes over as the prime interest and thus defines their sexuality every bit as much as which sex they prefer. Now this isn't true for all WS enthusiasts of course.

And one other comment...there are many many fetishes in this world, and very few are globally recognized...the ones that are (feet, S&M, lingerie...to name a few) have that recognition through ad campaigns of their own (they've appeared in movies, television, books (MANY books), etc...)...so in a way jims285 is right.

I think one of us needs to write a fiction story (or true account), that is well enough put together with a romance-novel kind of plot that it can get published, so that the whole world can read about how watersports can intensify a sexual relationship in a pop-culture setting.

[Finesse]

To jims285:

I agree with Larry Lamb, you shouldnt compare being gay and liking wetting. Being gay means you fall in love with someone and has deep feelings for another person but wetting is more like just sexuality. I hope you understand what I mean.

But the rest of your post I agree with, but to actually confess to someone you like wetting your pants or seeing someone else do it is so...well I dont find the word, but maybe scary. I mean you really dont know how that person will react or think or whatever and maybe you will destroy the whole relationship! Its to risky. I would never tell my partner I liked peeing in my pants.....and not in the future either....at least I dont think so, but never now anyway.

In theory I think your partner should have to accept you the way you are but in reality......well I hope it should be that way....but I dont know if it is. To advertise..well in the end I think people who have internet (more and more) will find out since you only need to search for some words and alot of pages comes up and even if most are really bad if you really is interested you will find the good sites to.


To Larry Lamb:

I agree with what you said about the fight for human rights and people accepting gays.


To Country_girl:

Wow, I have never thought about doing that. In princip I think its wrong because you use other people talk about sex (which it isnt to them but maybe to you, in a way, I think) and they dont know about it and thats wrong. But then again, when I think about it, it would be pretty cool to do it. And I am soooo curious so now I have to ask you if anything interesting has happened when you did this? Like someone has told about an accident they have had (maybe at least like when they where kids or something) or something else, like maybe been in a situation like that? Or something else interesting?


To Quietpr:

I live in sweden and have never heard of any advertising like you told about. I also dont think the pride festival is advertising.....nobody has paid the TV or newspapers to tell about it. Its not the same. As for the people wearing the ribbon you told about (I have heard very little about it so I dont know exactly what it was) its still not advertisng, I guess it was to show people ordinary person could be gay and make people understand better. But I really dont think you can say it is advertising.

Hugs to all
Finesse

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[Anonymous]

Hi Larry images/smiles/icon_smile.gif
Thankyou for your comments, yes i see your point, i haddnt thought of that before, but on the other hand if they werent enjoying it they could (and sometimes though rarely do) leave, yes they have told me of simaler situations when they have been on public transport bursting to go, at the end of the chat most of them ask for my email address saying they realy enjoyed the chat and can they keep in touch, of course i would ONLY talk to them if they were adults naturaly. images/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Anonymous]

Whoops Sorry
my above post was to Finesse not Larry lamb, sorry for my mistake, have a nice day "both of you" images/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[quietpr]

To Finesse...

I guess we have different opinions of the meaning of the word "advertising"...

To me...advertising does NOT require payment for services rendered...free advertising includes things like the propaganda Hitler advertised during the WWII era...which idnd't come at a cost...it just continuously delivered the same message until everyone that mattered believed it. Obviously...that's a negative result of advertising...and some would say that on a similar but opposite note...a very positive aspect of the same kind of propaganda techniques is the civil rights movements, including Gay/Lesbian rights. In other words...since I define propaganda/word of mouth translation of a message repetitively as no differnet than the latest Generation Pepsi commercial in its ultimate goal...to derrive a change in the behavior in a large group of people (buy a different soda...believe a different philosophy)...then any massive uprising of changeo f human philosophy must include good advertising to spread the message.

And the symbols I described involving the gay rights movement may not have been globally universal, but there widespread symbols of solidarity in the gay community and still are in the US...and this IS a form of advertising as I define it.

[Larry Lamb]

I understand the point you are trying to make, QuietPR, but I think you will find that most people would consider the marches, the protests and the ribbons as political statements or political rallies and not advertising. Obviously you seem to feel differently, but I honestly think most people would not consider them adverts, but rather political protest! There is a big difference IMO.

[quietpr]

No...there really isn't.

What is the point of a protest? To spread the message of the people protesting to as many others as possible and the be heard by the government. How do they do that...they make noise until someone with a camera puts them on TV. (the thought that the gay pride parades never asked to be televised is just silly...they may not have invited the news crews, but trust me...they were hoping the cameras would show up) A political protest is no different than a soda commercial...it has the same agenda...to change people's minds. In fact they use all of the same techniques as a TV commercial uses. Their signs feature easy to remember slogans that they repeat over and over again. They come up with clever jingles and sometimes even do choreographed numbers. They reward people who join them in their protest and ignore those who don't. It's all there!

Sorry...but a Rose by any other name would smell as weet Larry. You can call it a political protest until you're blue in the face...but to me...it's an ad campaign.

[Anonymous]

thankx all
i posted this after i read larry's posting about sky's site depicting childish behavior, just to see what a response it would get. thankx quietpr for your support of the way an ad campaign is run. i wish i had the writting ablity to write the story to start it off. alas sadly i don't.
but some really valid views were expressed here so. maybe some one with the ability to write well will try to start it rolling.

[Larry Lamb]

Jesus, QuietPR, you have really missed the mark.

First off, ad campaigns don't try and change people's minds, they try and SELL them something - ie. they say "you really want this and you want to pay for it". It is selling a product, yes, but to the individual.

A political protest is about likeminded people getting together (strength in numbers) and showing their will. They may want people to be more accepting but what they are actually saying is "whether you like it or not, we are here to stay!". They don't necessarily have cameras unless it is at a huge demonstration - do you think they only consider going if there is a camera there?? You think that because cameras film it, that is why they are there?? No, it is about expressing what THEY believe, what THEY want, not trying to change people's minds!! That requires more than demonstrations. In fact, protests (by definition, think about the word) are specifically often a result of not enough people thinking the same way, so a protest says "we have rights, we want rights, and we will take them!"

And they don't have anything to sell. You don't sell sexuality - people either are gay, bisexual or straight, you don't buy your sexuality.

And as for this comment:

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Their signs feature easy to remember slogans that they repeat over and over again. They come up with clever jingles and sometimes even do choreographed numbers.

That's not selling, it's about getting together and shouting your will! The clever jingles are because it is very difficult to get hundreds/thousands of voices chanting in unison showing their will without easy-to-remember slogans.

How insulting can you get? My God, I think if you suggested that to someone who has fought for civil rights, they would deck you, and bloody right to!

Some people!!

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[quietpr]

Larry...the one being insulting here is you. I have NEVER thought political protests were a bad thing, nor am I saying that because I believe them to be a form of advertising they must be negative in some way.

Your first comment...that an ad campaign is trying to "sell" me something is not necessarily true. What about the government sponsered anti-tobacco ads that we now see several dozen times a day when watching TV? Nothing being sold there.

What about political commercials during pre-vote periods? They even CALL that "campaign advertising"! Look up advertising in the dictionary, Larry...it does not specifiy that it must be attempting to sell a product or service for cost.

The easy to remember slogans may partially serve to aid in raising the voices of hundreds in unison...but ask yourself this...why do they want to raise their voices in unison? To get attention for their cause!! That's all it is! Is it BAD that political campaigning and protesting falls under the realm of advertising? Of course not...advertising is part of humanity...it makes the world go around...we wouldn't be civilized without it! Just as in every feature of the human experience...the act itself has no positive or negative connotation...its the message that's good or bad...and certainly, whether or not you conside political protesting advertising...the Gay/Lesbian rights movement was a very positive step for humanity.

[Anonymous]

Oh Quietpr
Dont you EVER know when to shut your big flappy mouth!! your ALWAYS barging in on other peoples business

[quietpr]

How is anything I've said in this thread "banging in on other people's business"? Am I to be denied my freedom of speech when people don't agree with me?

Glad i know what the people here are like...

[Anonymous]

Who said it was just "this thread"?

[Finesse]

To Country_girl:

I am not saying my points is right, I dont really know if I would follow them myself, because like I have said in other post, sometimes at a party or something and you talk to people and the subject embarrassing moments comes up I usually tells everyone of an accident as a child and hope somebody else also will tell about an accident (hopefully not as a child) or maybe just to talk about the subject of accidents or desperation and that is the same thing you do when you chat, I guess. So I guess I have double standards....but okay, I change my opinion now so I dont anymore. But in some way I still kind of think as I did at first…..stupid. But like you said, as long as it doesnt hurt anybody, then it is okay!


To quietpr:
I am not so good in english, but for me the word advertising is not what you believe it is. Larry Lamb said it so well, and I agree with him. If it is the way you think, then every time somebody opens their mouth to say something, it is advertising. Not expressing a thought or wiev of things. If Bush says on TV that he thinks they should bomb Iraq, then it is not advertising, he says how he thinks and what his political stand is. The newspapers telling what he said is not advertising either.
He wants people to agree and says why he thinks the way he does, and then hopes people will agree with him, but that is still not advertising!
If he or somebody else starts a campain, printing up folders or cutting movies together that only support his wiev, and let the TV-channels show them then it is advertising

Wearing a ribbon doesnt say homosexuality is okay or right or has the meaning of changing peoples thoughts, I think (dont know, maybe somebody who reads this and wore a ribbon can tell us why) they where worn to say something like "I am not ashamed of being gay and I proudly show it, this is me" and not to advertise.

I will drop this subject after this answer, okay.

Hugs
Finesse

[Anonymous]

images/smiles/icon_smile.gif Thanks Finesse images/smiles/icon_razz.gif
images/smiles/icon_eek.gif images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[quietpr]

It's fine that people disagree...I'm not guaranteeing that my definition is 100% accurate.

But I will support my conclusions as best I can so as to try and clarify for those who do disagree why I said what I said.

I don't believe that every time someone opens their mouth it is advertising. What I believe is that everytime people work together in a concerted effort to affect change on other people through memorable sound bites, and make those efforts as public as they possibly can...attracting as mcuh media coverage as they can manage...and do this over a long time period...making use of the power of repetition...it is advertising.

Nothign wrong with that form of advertising...that's jsut how I define it.

[mrpfun]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by &lt;Country_girl>:
Yes there are alot more people into this than who accually come to thease boards or indeed who even know this is a recognised fetish with a web site, i know because when ive been turned on and fancy some fun i will often enter chat rooms (totaly annomunusly) not sex rooms, but whatever takes my fancy at the time, i will then post somthing like im on a long train or bus trip using my laptop and that im desperate to pee etc, you wouldnt believe the number of men (and gals) that show interest and want a private chat with me to "help me hold on" you can tell there enjoying it and some even say "i dont know why but your arousing me with this situation"<hr></blockquote>

[Anonymous]

Your supposed to comment on peoples posts not reproduce them