Serious Question about Survellience Cameras

[LadyP]

I am relatively new at playing naughty pee games and I have some serious questions to ask about peeing in public places.

I am immensely turned on by the thought of peeing indoors, especially when the peer has exposes themselves to do it, although I must admit that I also enjoy the thought of peeing your panties or pants in an indoor place.

Anyways, I am scared to death to do it myself. I have this fear of being caught by survellience cameras. I live in the US, and it seems to me that almost every public place has cams now.

I would love to pee in an elevator, mall, dressing room at a store, etc., but I CAN'T run the risk of being arrested.

How is it that you all get away with peeing in these indoor places without ever getting caught out? Am I more paranoid than necessary about the cams?

I read all the stories about people peeing in different places and always wonder about it...has anyone here ever been caught? Are all of you really able to get away with peeing all over the place without ever being challenged about it? I don't want to start a flame war about disbelieving peoples stories, I just really want to know how to do this without getting caught!

Is it just me, or does it seem that most of the people who pee indoors are those from the UK? Are things different there (less survellience cams, more tolerence about peeing in public)?

Any answers to my questions will be greatly appreciated! I want to be able to pee in public without being so scared about it! I will also appreciate any posts about places in the US where it is "safer" to pee...for instance, is it unlawful for stores to have video cams in the dressing rooms, etc.

Thanks everyone for any imput!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Yes I know I am a cynic, and I am about to get shouted down for stuffing the sad peeple on here that are only looking for masturbation material, but I am afraid the reason that most peeing stories dont get seen by cameras is because they are fake, and the creeping 'big brother' attitude will make it even more difficult.
Cameras and surveillance are becoming the order of the day.
Any association with a crime is enough to allow the feds to take your computer away for thorough examination.

I gather that President Bush has made Congress pass an emergency resolution that effectively repreals the USA Bill of Rights.
So much for the Land of the Free.
It is now legal in the USA to spy on your neighbour and report them to the authorities for anything that you might think is bad.

[Anonymous]

Hi, yes there are lots of cameras around now in almost all stores. If you dont see that dome up on the ceiling, its still there. There are tiny peep camera with a lens about the size of a dime. They hide them in the maniquins in the eyes or on a shelf. One day I was shopping for nuts and bolts in a hardware store and here I looked and saw a pair of lenses looking at me on the shelf and they were unnoticable. The local grocery chain has stores here and within the last year have hidden camera and they are catching people stealing cigarettes, meat and everything like crazy.
We also have those cameras now on the major highways to check on wrecks and traffic jams and so on.
But the UK has em on streetcorners and a lot more places than the US. Its there to deter crime and does a good job.
About peeing accidents, well if you are in a store and let a gusher go chances are you wont be noticed. Id leave right away too, as it takes time for someone to see it and chase you down. I really dont think they wood on a ligit accident, but if some clothes or store items were damaged they might, especially in a dressing room.
They have cameras also around rest rooms too, not to view the actual toilet or urinal, but to see who comes and goes for vandalisim later.
I dont think there is a law agains having an accident, but I dont know for sure. There are cameras in most mall parking lots too to catch shoplifters and auto damage and the likes.
Even gas stations have cameras so that self serve stations can track down drive offs that dont pay, they are hidden and are of the peep hole type.
I dont think you will get arrested for peeing you pants in an accident. But if you squat in a parking lot between two cars you might meet a police car on the way out.
Yep you gotta play safe, and just going out and doing the deed anywhere sometimes is not a good idea.
Ive read where guys and gals go into a dept store, walk into a rack of clothing and pee right there and then leave. That sounds kinda interesting and safe. But you never know.
I dont discorage anyone having a little fun, but Id say watch it.
Right now, I can bring up the local interstate on the puter and watch traffic including anyone taking a leak along the road in real time. Crazy, but here we are in 2002.
Be safe, be wet, have fun..lol images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif images/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[wscot_uk]

In the UK most city centres and some other areas (local shops, big housing estates etc.) have police cameras, and our local police now have a van which can be parked near parks or in villages, more as a deterrent (U can't miss it!)

There is no law here stopping U from wetting yourself, it is only if U "expose" yourself while doing the toilet that the law can take any action. Also it is illegal for shops own cameras to view the changing rooms or for any camera to watch U at a urinal or in a cubicle, though they are allowed to monitor activities at the sink area etc.

Don't know how the law is in the US, but if you like to pee "in public" then a holiday over here might be worth a shot.

Good luck & stay wet, Doug

[Anonymous Coward]

Brainwave, heheh...
Partialy inspired by "The Mark Thomas Product" from a couple of years back...

Under the principles of the Data Protection Act, 1998 (in the UK, this is) you can demand to have any personal data including video images, that is being held by any organisation, be released to you for your inspection (although that excludes people like MI5, MI6, etc images/smiles/icon_eek.gif ). They are allowed to charge a small admin fee, but I think it's limited to £10.

So for ten quid, anyone could star in their own amateur pee movie. The possibilites are endless... images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[LadyP]

Crazyhorse: Geez, I hope I don't get caught doing anything wrong...I sure would hate to lose my puter! The US is getting scarier and scarier to live in...how long is Bush going to be office yet? Hope not long...

Donnie: Hmmm...your news is not encouraging...I know that surveillance has gotten worse here in the US in the past few years especially. That's what worries me.

I read a story about a pregnant lady who was refused a bathroom at a local grocery store, so she dropped her drawers and peed on the floor and there was a policeman there to arrest her before she even finished peeing. Pretty scary!

Thanks for your imput!

Doug: I think the law here states that it is illegal to "urinate or defecate in places other than public toilets" but that might only pertain to city property, such as the public parks. I'll have to check on that.

I'm sure that the stores though would have their own policies on "damaging merchandise" and might be able to have you arrested for that if nothing else...even if you only do it on the carpet and it is considered "damaged" because it has to be cleaned.

Guess I need to check on that too! Sigh!

Annonymous Coward: Hmmm...I'm not sure I'd like to know what MI5 or any of the others have in file on me! Hehe! I'm sure they wouldn't be pleased to find out that you were collecting vids of yourself to start your own pee movie collection! I think it would be safer to get your own vid camera with a remote!!

[p.pisces]

Hi Lady P,
As you would probably know from my postings, I like to go out every now and then and pee somewhere taboo or in public. For me it's about discretion and picking your spot well. Most times I actually pee in ny pants somewhere - I'll make sure that the clothes I'm wearing are dark so as not to make it too obvious. This way I still get to enjoy the thrill of seeing the pee go onto the floor/chair etc, but its relatively inconspicuous, and I usually leave the location pretty quickly once I'm done.
On a few occasions, I've had the opportunity to pee openly somewhere taboo, but generally speaking its not always something I do as often as peeing my pants in public...(more stories to follow soon - finding the time is not always so straightforward though - less reading more typing I guess!!)
Surveillance is a bit of a worry, but as I mentioned b4, common sense and picking your mark can mean you don't have to miss out on all the fun!! I tend to scout out places in my travels or just going about my day to day business, a lot of smaller shops that may not be located in shopping centres don't necessarily have cameras all over the place. I also avoid places that I go to regularly as a matter of course.
Another thing with cameras, whilst they may be taping the whole time, I'm sure that many shops don't have someone just sitting there watching in real time all day every day. If you have your pee fun discretely without drawing attention to yourself, then no ones usually the wiser, and you'll be long gone before the wet patch is even noticed...and I'm sure that in most shops a wet patch means that someones spilt a drink or dropped something (hardly a reason to go and check the tapes)
Anyway, I hope you get the courage to partake in this activity (its a great thrill, plus Im dying to hear more tales of ladies doing the naughty peeing thing! - there used to be a few darng females on the message board who talked about peeing on the floors and beds in display homes!) If you're not too crazy and blatant about it then really the risks are quite low I beleive...
Regards,
P.Pisces

[quietpr]

I'm not looking for a fight here...but any commentary on President Bush "repealing the US Bill of Rights" is just completely out of line.

I'd just like to ask what bills has he passed, or has even expressed interest in passing, that significantly change a person's level of privacy from the Clinton era?

Talk of paranoia induced bill passing caused by terror threats has proven to be well overdone...

Fact of the matter is...a person has no expectation of privacy on public property...never has....never will...by law...the only places where a person can expect privacy are places in which he or she lives, or on belongings directly attached to that person. The security camera wave that has spread across the nation in businesses and government owned properties has almost no affect on any person's day to day life. In fact...those cameras and the people monitering the feeds from those cameras are only interested in criminal activity...so if you have nothing to hide...you aren't even being noticed.

The federal government still has to get a warrant to seize your computer...and the only way they can do that is if they have significant "probable cause" to believe that something on that computer might incriminate you in illegal activities. The government has always been able to seize your computer...and the methods for doing so have not changed one ioda.

BTW...while it might be true that it's getting tougher and tougher to deal with crime in this country, it is much easier for police and government authorities in countries besides the US to get your computer than it is for US authorities to do so.

To actually answer the question posed at the beginning of this thread...I will say that nowhere is it a crime in this country to have an accident. It happens all the time...if it were a crime...a lot of perfectly innocent people would be spending time in jail. So if you want to do public peeing...I suggest you make it appear to be accidental as much as possible...chances are, the worst you'll get is an annoyed clerk telling you to please leave...

[Anonymous]

Surely we are getting this out of proportion! If someone stages an 'accident' there is really no way someone else can prove that it was deliberate! Anyway, the police hardly have time to prosecute serious offenders, so I don't think they would chase someone who peed themselves.

David

[Anonymous]

i have to agree with quietpr. about the bill of rights thing. anyway child porn is what gets peoples pomputers conficated. that and terroristic activities. in the name of the greater good each individual has to give up some personal freedom. short of owning an island of your own there is'nt any place where you can do as you want without being watched. and this country is a majority rules thing so if you are part of a minority which i'm sure our fetish falls under we have to tread very lightly indeed.
as for places to be naughty in public it depends on how you go about the deed as well as where. patches place has videos of public wetting that seem pretty professionally done. that says that they are'nt taken with hidden cameras. public parks are one place where it is not possible to hide cameras to cover the whole place. lightly travelled public transport seems a good place too.if you did'nt get anyone else wet you probably could do whatever you want on a city bus or train. if peeing you clothes is what you want just go in the public restroom and go, no cameras in the stalls. being wet in public without anyone noticing is good too. most people won't metion it even if they notice because of their own embarassment about looking at a strangers crotch. if you catch some one looking just give them a knowing look and carry on about your bussiness. i don't write well and this will probably be considered rabbling. but it's your choice if you want to try public wetting. when i worked in a full service gas station i saw a lot of wet panties and bare pussies. while washing windshields. most of the women were'nt old or ugly so go figuire. why were they showing it where i could see it. possibly because the windshield gave them a sense of security and they did'nt realize what they were showing me.

[quietpr]

There's a whole series of videos called T-Bob's Public Pants Wetting that you may not be aware of LadyP since you are new to the fetish...it takes place in the UK but the security level here in the states is basically the same. They never seem to have any problems with authorities.

As stated before, it's not a crime to pee yourself in public...it's only a crime to expose yourself while doing it, or to seriously damage someone's property with it. In this video series, the girls T-Bob recruits pee themselves out in the complete open with people passing by continuously. Scenes include many total floodings on open streets, one complete wetting while sitting on a park bench right next to a total stranger, several daring wettings inside places like restaurants, landrimats, shoe stores, malls, etc.

I can see why folks like us might worry about security cameras, but the fear is unnecessary stress generally speaking...because nothing a wetter does is a crime...and you can easily claim whatever you've done was a total accident. So generally people who've wet themselves in public don't get harassed by the people around them...even store employees...unless they've done something to damage the merchandise...and even in that situation...the chances are, you'll be asked to pay for what you've ruined, and then to leave the store...

The police don't generally like wasting their time with that kind of small stuff.

[Anonymous]

There is no way it would ever be illegal to wet in public. The ACLU would be all over it. I don't like the idea of cameras in restrooms. If I see one I always pull my pants down and yank off right in front of it.

[wscot_uk]

This seems to be getting bogged down in legal and political talk. The fact is if U drop your pants to pee U risk prosecution, but no-one can stop U peeing UR pants. When U gotta go U gotta go?

I know places near my house where I can go without trouble, but I also know places 2 avoid.

[Anonymous]

The U.S.A. Patriot Act passed in October 2001
allows the government to get records of what you rent at video stores and take out of libraries. This is what private companies have always had the legal right to do. Going further on how that act "repeals the bill of rights" or if it is needed at this time or if it is ever needed I will
leave to another venue.

[LadyP]

p.pieces: Now this sounds a bit more encouraging! How about sharing some more of your pee places? Might give me some better ideas...I agree with the thought that the smaller shops might not have cams, or people watching them 24/7. Good idea. I was also thinking perhaps of an outdoor plant nursery.

Thanks for the encouragement. I'll let everyone know when I get up the nerve to actually do it!


quitepr: I think that making it look as much like an accident as possible without drawing attention to myself is the best course...thanks!

getwet: And where, pray tell, can I get copies of you yanking off for the cams????? :-) Hehe!

I had thought of just trying my first pee in the stall of the bathroom...hopefully they really do lack cams there like they are supposed to! But I was thinking of squatting over the toilet in a skirt without panties on and "missing" the mark, pissing all over the door and the floor. Think I could get away with that one?

I could always say I had to pee too bad when I went in and it was a bit out of control...

David: Maybe it is a bit out of control, but I'd rather be forwarned then end up in jail! ;-)

jims285: Public parks seem like a good place. I agree, I don't think there are probably cams set up there. Maybe I'll go for a walk later this week. I don't know about the public transportation...I think I heard rumors of cams on there to curb crime and vandalism, but maybe I can take a bus ride and check it out. Thanks for the ideas!

[p.pisces]

Lady P, your idea for peeing in the cubicle of a public toilet sounds mighty fine to me - just make sure you don't get any in the bowl OK! Definitely no security cameras should be watching inside the cubicles - if they were then Civil liberties would be all over them like a rash (as they should!)
Regards,
p.pisces

[quietpr]

There were some cases where schools wanted to install security cameras overlooking the stalls in bathrooms to catch vandals whose favorite targets were the stalls and to stop people from using drugs there...but each time they've gotten shot down as rightfully they should...so wetting yourself or even just peeing all over the floor for fun is still safe in the stall. images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[quietpr]

To Fillerup...

You said it yourself...

That act...does nothign more than extend to right to claim a person's public records (libraries, video stores, DMV, online purchasing, etc...) from the private sector to the government as well...and mostly in name only since the government has had ways of getting that information in the past...now the route is just slightly shorter (all they need is a federal warrant now, whereas they needed to go through a probable cause hearing and get the permission of the company from which the person did business beforehand).

It's not that big a change...it just helps the FBI do background research on people it considers suspicious...none of that information could afterall be grounds for an arrest, and none of that information would really be admissible in court unless it had a direct bearing on a person's mental state or behavior patterns before a crime was committed.

[Anonymous]

Hey Lady P

Hope you pluck up your courage soon. I loved the thought of you pissing all over the floor in a public toilet cubicle. Don't forget to tell us all about it! If you need somebody to keep watch while you're doing it I'm sure many here would be keen to oblige!

Terry

[Anonymous]

"I would love to pee in an elevator, mall, dressing room at a store, etc...."

YOU of all people, LadyP...

But the blatant hypocrisy of your "I can pee on the carpeting but you cant pee on the mattress" argument aside, I would think if it *looks* like an accident, you can pee when ever and where ever you want, without fear of a legal problem.

I mean, if you hike your dress up and pull your panties down and pee on the carpeting in a dressing room, you probably could be arrested, even though your rights were clearly violated in the first place by the camera.

But if you wet your panties, surely, it would look like an accident, thus there would be no criminal intent (and no arrest).

Can you picture a women getting arrested for an "accident" in the US? LOL I'm sure some flaming liberal group like NOW would be ranting and raving and suing on your behalf. Even better if she was pregnant, since pregnant women surely must have the right to piss whenever and wherever needed, and this right must surely extend to all woman, WHO ARE THESE MEN THAT WOULD FORCE WOMEN TO USE TOILETS?! Jeez the right wing nutcases would even join the NOW nutcases on this one, since fear of pregnant peeing accidents could lead to :::gasp::: abortions!!!

Anyway, political sarcasm aside, let it flow. It would be ***impossible*** to prove criminal intent.

(scary. i think i just took your side on something)

[LadyP]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr> "I would love to pee in an elevator, mall, dressing room at a store, etc...."

YOU of all people, LadyP...

But the blatant hypocrisy of your "I can pee on the carpeting but you cant pee on the mattress" argument aside
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Blush...yes, I admit I am a blatant hypocrite when it comes to some aspects of peeing...although I seem to have that learned "don't ruin other peoples property" response, it still turns me on to fantasize about doing it myself, or to fantasize about others doing it!

What can I say...the human mind is a complicated thing...

[LadyP]

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Lady P, your idea for peeing in the cubicle of a public toilet sounds mighty fine to me - just make sure you don't get any in the bowl OK!

Hmmm...I'm starting to have to pee pretty badly...I think that perhaps I need to make a trip to a local store and see what might happen...will let you know if I get up the nerve or chicken out once I am there..

[quietpr]

Hope you go through with it!

I think it's important to make a distinction however between getting turned on by a FANTASY of doing something, and actually doing it...

Until LadyP actually goes out and damages someone else's property, and walks away not feeling guilty or offering some sort of compensation, she's not yet a hypocrite.

I'm against killing people, but periodically, when mad at someone, I envision a cruel demise for them...everyone does...the difference between serial killers and normal people is...our fantasies of controlling our universe with brute strength and a lot of weapons...stay fantasies...we don't haul off and kill the person who pissed us off.

I can't say I've never CONSIDERED wetting somewhere where it might do real damage to someone else's property...but I've never done it...because I don't want to pay for it, and I don't want the owner to have to pay for it.

[Anonymous]

Please remember that in addition to not peeing on someone else's carpeting (such as a dressing room floor), you should also not be peeing on the tile floor on a public bathroom cubicle, leaving a mess for some poor housekeepper to clean up, and a putrid smell of piss for future restroom visitors, not to mention the AIDS !!!!!!!!!!!! issue.

[quietpr]

I'd just like to point out that I never once said anything about AIDS, and that I don't buy into the hysteria associated with it...it's essentially medically impossible to transmit AIDS through urine unless you're peeing right onto someone's open wounds.

There is a valid concern about the smell of urine not being pleasant to everyone, but as long as every single person isn't out there doing it all at once, I don't expect it's a major problem for bathrooms, tile flooring, concrete, or marble surfaces...

My only negative comment towards anything you advocate doing retroperv is your habit of removing hotel mattress protectors (for only one reason...you HATE those firggin' things...) and then intentionally wetting the bed, when it's clear the hotel was trying to prevent you from doing so directly. So long as you're not damaging anything, or directly going against the stated wishes of the person who owns the property you're using, I don't see a problem.

[Anonymous]

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I'd just like to point out that I never once said anything about AIDS, and that I don't buy into the hysteria associated with it...it's essentially medically impossible to transmit AIDS through urine unless you're peeing right onto someone's open wounds.

Oh, I know you're not of the AIDS !!!!!!!! hysteria mongers. I apologize if it came across that way.

Interesting thing about those that tend to have conservative ideaology, they tend to realize that AIDS !!!!!!!! is just one of many diseases that require reaseach, where flaming liberals seem to want to throw every available dollar at AIDS !!!!!!!! research, even if it means taking research money away from diseases that kill far more people and are far less preventable than AIDS !!!!!!!! (take breast cancer for example).

I think my all time favorite AIDS !!!!!!!! hysteria comment has to be from Bono (thanks, England) who claimed not long after 9/11 that AIDS !!!!!!!! is one of the greatest threats to our (America's) "National Security".

Although the pee stains as a source of AIDS !!!!!!!! comment has gotta be a close second choice. images/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Anonymous]

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Sorry, but if this is some in-joke which necessitates putting Aids in bold followed by a lot of exclamation marks, then I have missed the humour. Millions die every year from Aids in Africa, but very few rich governments do anything about it.
20000 children die each day in from starvation or related illnesses in 3rd world countries, but we dont seem to have regular memorial services for them, or even a minutes' silence.
Isn't it nice to be comfortable middle class, and far away from these horrors?

[quietpr]

LOL! The problem we have is...the people lobbying for AIDS!!!!!! research funding have some seriously powerful ties to our government...the Gay Rights Lobby is still pressing Congress for more funding, even though AIDS!!!!!!! is no longer thrashing the gay/male/upper class group as badly as it was in the 80's...and joining that group in the crucade is everybody's favorite foundation...Planned Parenthood...and we know how powerful THAT branch of "government" has become.

Cancer research in general has not advanced remotely as far as AIDS research in the last 15 years, and is not funded proportionally well given the number of people it kills a year...

So I agree with you on the point about AIDS.

[Anonymous]

I hope the self righteoous types who are ruining this board are happy with the result. All the naughty peeing girls who used to delight us with their stories no longer post. No doubt LadyP, if she ever plucks up her courage, will be very dubious of telling us about her adventure now, which is a great pity

Why can't you just let people enjoy posting and reading their fantasies/stories. If you don't approve, then go elsewhere or don't read the bits you don't like!

Terry

[quietpr]

&lt;Terry>...outside of commenting on actions that seem harmful to society (which generally speaking, don't include much from this fetish), I agree with you. As I've said...I don't see anything wrong with LadyP wanting to pee in places she's not supposed to...as long as it doesn't cost anyone else money or negatively affect someone else's day...

That's one of the great things about watersports...as fetishes go...it's 99.99999% harmless.

[Anonymous]

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Why can't you just let people enjoy posting and reading their fantasies/stories. If you don't approve, then go elsewhere or don't read the bits you don't like!

&lt;terry> I actually agree 100%. What set me off on the whole AIDS !!!!!! thing, was getting acussed of possibly spreading AIDS !!!!!! via public peeing, this little piece of hysteria came from another reader that should have been taking your advice.

&lt;mister> I am not making fun of children (or adults) dying of aids. I am also not[B/] making fun of drug addicts or homosexuals dying of aids.

I AM making fun of the gay rights lobby and planned parenthood lobby and other "public interest groups" that are in the business of selling [B] AIDS !!!!!! hysteria.

This prepackaged hysteria, by the way, is why I use the term " AIDS !!!!!! ". Certain lobbies in this country have made AIDS !!!!!! their pet issue when there are much more dangerous issues at hand (cancer being a prime example).

The life span (and quality of life) of an aids victim has improved significantly in the last 20 years. The life span (and quality of life) of a cancer victim? I dont think either have improved at all.

By the way, Bono wants us to worry about " AIDS !!!!!! as a national security issue. And here I was worried about the terrorists. What was I thinking ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Anonymous]

Yes well this just about sums it all up.

Lets not worry about a disease that might overwhelm us all. Oh no. We are so quality, we will never contract Aids, so much so that we can refer to it as something that is almost a joke, so we can put lots of exclamation marks against it.
And if anyone draws our attention to it, then they can be dismissed as self righteous.
What the hell is self righteous about the thousands of humans that die every day from a disease that you think is a joke, so you can be completely flippant?
Do you think they do not have relations?

So, just remember that while you can pay money to indulge in your wet panties fantasies, that money could have gone to save other persons lives, but then again they might have Aids and they might be in Africa, so they dont count.

And to paraphrase quietpr:-
Just think, there are 100 million people in Africa, and at any one time only 0.1% are bursting for a pee, but cant go because thay are in jaol for anti government problems. That means there are 100000 people bursting for a pee now, but they dont count because they are black, very thin, and in Africa.
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[Anonymous]

Fillherup,

I worked with a couple people from Vietnam who left their homeland at great personal risk. The reason was that the communists instituted something like the homeland security law. People were also encouraged to rat on their neighbors about anything the Vietnamese government might not like.

Please remember that US pee laws differ from state to state, county to county, city to city, and enforcer to enforcer. Some guards will turn in anybody just for the power trip. Many stores don't want bad relations as long as it might have been an accident and the costodian can clean it up in 5 min. Hard to tell which is which until you try it.

I prefer to have my "accidents" on jogging or park trails. When I do pee in malls, I pick a hard rain with a long walk through the parking lot. Had a landlady who wore an ankle-length full dress for her morning walk in a grassy park. I'd stopped right next to her in the middle of the lawn about 15 times before I figured it out.

Stanley
Stanley

[quietpr]

Huh?????

What are TALKING about &lt;mister>??

When did I make any comments about Africans not counting?

I don't think I or retroperv find AIDS to be a "joke"...but I take offense at the conclusion that AIDS gets almost ten times the research budget that colo-rectal cancer research gets...almost twice the budget that heart disease research gets...way more the breast cancer, automotive safety, drug rehab programs...

Why is AIDS any worse a problem than cancer, or car accidents, or hunger, or malaria???

It's one in about a zillion diseases, and one in about a google ways to die on this planet...one of the worst ways to do it...but...to believe that someone can contract it by coming into contact with urine that's been expelled by a person suffering from AIDS and that's been sitting exposed to the air for at least a couple of hours is no better than believing you can get AIDS by sitting at the same table or by breathing the same air as a person with AIDS...and that's what leads to the pursecution of people who suffer from the disease...hysteria bread by the very people who wish to improve the quality of life for AIDS patients.

[LadyP]

Well, this has turned into a varied discussion. If it makes any of you feel any better, I DO NOT have AIDS, nor do I have ANY other communicable diseases, so there isn't any danger of my spreading anything if I do pee somewhere.

Actually, I would hope that anyone who does have AIDS, or any other communicable disease, would be responsible enough with their actions as to do their best not to spread it to others.

[quietpr]

Not to worry LadyP...I seriously doubted you had anything you could pass around with your pee...just use some good old fashioned common sense and have FUN! That's what's important. images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[LadyP]

Thank you quiet! I think I will! I was expecting company tonight, but they bailed out on me. It's been a dark, dreary rainy day and I was thinking of going for a walk in my bright yellow rain slicker and having me a good pee along the way to cheer me up! ;-)

[Anonymous]

Can not believe it is a week later and my AIDS remark is still creating controversy.. On 2 different threads yet!!!
To Stanley: I was asking in my AIDS question to you for more details about spreading AIDS thru urine .
To everybody: Please reread my posts before commenting on them. There was no "hysteria" in them I always said the risk was very small much less then in other types of sexual activity. I always knew I was not going to change retroperv. The remarks were to the group. We have many people here who are very informed about current events but not everybody is. Telling people about risks however small makes for informed decision making.
I in no way have a problem with peoples fantasies. I was the only one a month or two back when a rough S&M,B&D pee fantasy appeared that said even though it was not my thing it was a legitamite post for this board. Everybody was calling for this poster to be banned.
In no way while posting it was I even thinking of the AIDS lobby,which disease gets more funding etc.
Since the widespread epidemic of AIDS in Africa
has come up. I have am usually not been one of those people who says "it can't happen here".

[quietpr]

People are fleeing Vietnam because they enacted a law FAR more broad and severe than the homeland security act. And actually...people are fleeing Vietnam because communism in general SUCKS for the people. Please don't compare anything to a communist dictatorship and expect me to believe the parallel.

[Anonymous]

In reply to the concerns felt and the wish list of "Lady Pee " and her fear of CCTV. If you wish to try out your desire to wet in an indoor public place { I am presuming that you would wish to do so in your clothes--whatever you were wearing at the time } If I have got this wrong I sincerley apologise. If I am correct then I would suggest that you do it-go out and try it out. Be determined .be prepared and plan well in advance. There is an opportunity here to be descrete and imaginative in how you let the events unfold. The best way to start this off is to try out a pretence at an accident--someone who is desperate--hiding the fact and having your accident. Take this in stages-a little at a time so that you can judge how best to proceed. The first go need not be extreme but taken in easy stages. This way you will be in control and gradually build up confidence and gain a knowledge of the strategies you can employ to take this further the next times that you do it. Eventually you will be able to wet completely in the kind of places you desire. Choosing the right kind of clothing may well be important at first. Wearing black pants for instance will ensure '' poor viibility " for others around so you will not be drawing unwelcome attention. You may wish eventually to be more daring and wear clothes that might show the wet but you would build up to this gradually. There are indoor--outdoor places that are not always heavily populated and you could choose to explore these but with a mind for your own safety, There is safety in numbers however and the escelator context sounds a wonderful idea. As for the CCTV , if your wetting in such a situation was made to appear to be an unfortunate accident--so that you played that game - no decent individual would chastise you for it. I hope this has been of help in giving you confidence to test your -wish list. Try the little and often approach next time you are out--do so descretely and you may well surprise yourself--All the best in your endeavours--AQUA VITAE.

[Anonymous]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by LadyP:
Dear LadyP.
Best regards from man who lives in CZ and loves peeing ant things around very much.I love your stories and If you do not mind,I am trying to translate these stories to our local "piss page"
Please,be in touch with this site.
I am missing the ladies whi were very active in past and now they are out??(f.e.Fiona)
Jiri
I am relatively new at playing naughty pee games and I have some serious questions to ask about peeing in public places.

I am immensely turned on by the thought of peeing indoors, especially when the peer has exposes themselves to do it, although I must admit that I also enjoy the thought of peeing your panties or pants in an indoor place.

Anyways, I am scared to death to do it myself. I have this fear of being caught by survellience cameras. I live in the US, and it seems to me that almost every public place has cams now.

I would love to pee in an elevator, mall, dressing room at a store, etc., but I CAN'T run the risk of being arrested.

How is it that you all get away with peeing in these indoor places without ever getting caught out? Am I more paranoid than necessary about the cams?

I read all the stories about people peeing in different places and always wonder about it...has anyone here ever been caught? Are all of you really able to get away with peeing all over the place without ever being challenged about it? I don't want to start a flame war about disbelieving peoples stories, I just really want to know how to do this without getting caught!

Is it just me, or does it seem that most of the people who pee indoors are those from the UK? Are things different there (less survellience cams, more tolerence about peeing in public)?

Any answers to my questions will be greatly appreciated! I want to be able to pee in public without being so scared about it! I will also appreciate any posts about places in the US where it is "safer" to pee...for instance, is it unlawful for stores to have video cams in the dressing rooms, etc.

Thanks everyone for any imput!!!!!!!!<hr></blockquote>

have pee in public some but was never challanged anywhere as long as my pants were on

[Kyle]

Cameras aren't as bad in places as much as you guys think. Like in Wal-Mart for instance. You see about 500 black bubbles in the ceiling, but about 50 of them probably actually have cameras...and that's in a large walmart like a super-center. In small ones there's probably 10. In Super-Centers they usually have 1 or 2 guys walking around acting like customers, when they're really loss prevention, and 1 guy watching the cameras. so if you don't look suspicious they'll walk right past ya.. In smaller wal-marts they rarely have anyone walking around or watching the cameras..they just go back and check them if they need to. I'm not 100% positive on this but i think the black bubbles that actually have cameras in them have a set of two silver screws on the sides...the ones without the silver screws are empty....Fitting rooms is a deffinently "no-camera" spot...they don't have to watch what you're doing in there...they look at what you take in, and look at what you bring out. I'd say fitting rooms would be the best and most exciting spot to do it in. In large walmarts i think they have someone at the fitting rooms at all times, but in small ones, you walk up ring the bell, someone will come, open the door and go back to whatever they were doing so you don't have to worry about them being right outside the door.

[AQUA VITAE]

THE T-BOBS PUBLIC PANTS WETTING VIDS SOUND VERY INTERESTING--COULD ANYONE GIVE ME DETAILS AS TO WHERE I COULD GET THEM--I WOULD MUCH APPRECIATE THE INFO. As to wetting in public enough has been deliberated upon regarding its potential criminality and with some very sound practical suggestions about how to carry it out. My only thought and comment is that if you want to try it out simply go for it but plan it well and practice making it look like a genuine accident. Similarly if you wear the right kind of clothes so it would be difficult to detect the aftermath you can pee yourself deliberately and descretely without a great fear of been seen doing it. They say that practice makes perfect so it might be a matter of regular sessions which has just got to be fun for those of us with the inclination. Little and often during a wetting session is an enjoyable strategy to explore and allows the pleasure principle to be extended over a lengthy period of time. It also means you need not leave the tell tale large puddle or wet patch on the floor if you wish to leave no obvious evidence of your passing that way. Of course if half the thrill is about this the Fast-Flood is a must--but this is where the practice and pretence of an accident comes in handy. Best way forward is to always keep the varied situations fluid. Happy Days to everyone--

[AQUA VITAE]

A reply to quietpr--totally agree with you --99.999999% harmless--that is of course if someone doesnt slip in the wet puddle and take a tumble. Then as with all else in life you take the rough with the smooth or the wet with the dry. All the best to deliberation . desperation and puddles. A final thought--doesnt passive smoking cause much more harm than pants peeing. Said this not to get at smokers but just to put something in perspective.