Attention Picture Purveyors!

[Anonymous]

Attention, picture purveyors:

As more and more desperation material of varying quality has become available in recent years, it is becoming apparent that there is a disconnect between the manufacturers of the material and its target audience. In short, a lot of this material sucks because the people who are making it don't understand the fetish they are trying to satisfy.

I therefore present my own list of ten comments on what I would personally like to see in a desperation video or photoset:

1) Desperation is about her struggle to control her own reflexes. Remember this.

2) Desperation is not about domination and control. That is a different fetish. The turn-on is not about manipulating or making a woman wet herself. The turn-on is to see her trying frantically to control HERSELF of her own accord.

3) Desperation is not about humiliation. That is a different fetish. The turn-on is not to see her humiliate herself by wetting herself in public. The turn-on is not about making her beg to use the toilet. The risk of embarassment is often used as a motivation to cause the desperation, but actual embarassment or humiliation can be a turn-off.

4) The little things can easily be more erotic than the big ones. Don't show her bent double, her hands in her crotch, screaming that she's going to wet her panties. Show her trying not to show that she's desperate. Show the goosebumps on her arm as a spasm hits. Show her toes curling, her hand resting on her hip, her right leg ever so slightly raised. Show her give a quick squeeze to her crotch when she thinks nobody is looking. Show how she can't concentrate on a task. Show her briefly gasp and grimace as she re-asserts control.

5) Desperation is not a loss of hope. We need to believe that she believes that if she can only hold it a little longer, she will meet some goal. Otherwise, it looks like she eventually just gives up and goes when she gets bored with the holding. The goal could be her use of a restroom, or in a contrived situation the goal could be a time goal, a volume goal, or a competetive goal. We need to understand this goal in order to believe that she is truly desperate.

6) Desperation is not about panty wetting. That is a different fetish. Desperation could lead up to using a restroom. Or not. It doesn't have to be messy. Her frantically running into a restroom, ripping down her panties, and peeing a torrent for a minute and a half is much more erotic than seeing a trickle of pee slowly emerge down her leg.

7) Desperation has a reason. In order to believe that she's really desperate, we need to see a credible reason she got that way. Show us why she's got a full bladder that is rapidly getting over-full. Show us how she drank an entire pot of tea, or a 2 liter bottle of coke or whatever, and show us why she isn't able to use a restroom when she might want to.

8) Desperation has consequences. In order to believe that she's really desperate, we need to see how much her bladder was holding. A 30 second pee that generates a pint of liquid doesn't cut it. If she was really desperate, there had better be a huge puddle, a long torrential piss, a full quart mason jar, or some physical evidence of how bad she had to go.

9) Desperation is not about long term holding. The point is not how long she's been holding it, but how badly she needs to go, and how quickly the need is becoming unmanagable.

10) Desperation does not have to be loud. Some of the best desperation occurs when she's trying not to let others know how badly she has to go. She's too proud to ask to use the restroom, she's too proud to be seen holding herself, she's going to solve the problem for herself, but she slowly realizes that she might not.

Some interesting scenarios to explore:
A) The entire field of hold-it contests seems to be missing from commercial material. By hold-it contest I mean that you hire two actresses and offer double compensation to which ever one can hold the most or the longest under prescribed conditions. Conditions being a requirement to drink a certain amount every 10 minutes, and/or to refrain from holding themselves, and/or to play naked twister, and/or whatever. Surely there can be some creativity seen here.
B) Maybe she's become attached to a video game or a TV program, and that's her motivation to hold it until she finishes the game or the program ends.
C) Maybe she went to a movie with a date. Show her going into the theater with a 44oz drink. Show her coming out of the movie. She looks longingly toward the restrooms as her date pulls her off to dinner...
D) Maybe she's a waitress and can't take a break, or an ice cream vendor, or a tour guide, or what have you.

Surely we can get something better than what is out there.

[parkvilla]

Wot, no pants wetting???, surely we can have some of that too???. Desperation is much more fun when followed by panty wetting!

[wetbvds]

Right on SPV..... good panty wetting are GREAT!

[Anonymous]

Definitely a wetting! And embarrassment too! (All following the desperation. They all go together.

[Anonymous]

Good job, w! As one who appreciates a variety of different fetishes and interests, I have grumbled for a long time that the picture purveyors (of whatever kind of erotica) need to be paying more attention to us, the aficionados. The next time someone's preparing to shoot a photoset or video, I hope they will contact me--I will gladly write the screenplay! Like you, I'm really bored with the lame storylines and acting we see on most fetish product.

I agree with nearly all of your points, w. Like a couple of the others above, however, I do have my own little "quirks" that differ somewhat from yours. For instance, I am also into pants-wetting, so I would rather see the pee emerging from a panty crotch as opposed to being "wasted" by surging into the commode and down the drain. But that's just me.

Here's the kind of thing I would really like to see:

How about a video of two girls trying to see who can hold it the longest? I know, that's not unusual. But most of the ones I've seen are so clearly "acted" it's pathetic--they're pretending to be desperate. I'm dying to see one where it's obvious that we're seeing bladders that REALLY ARE at their capacity--believable young girls who REALLY ARE trying to keep from wetting themselves as the camera rolls along--complete with the jiggling toes, the "can't sit still" syndrome, the "playing with the hair" syndrome, the hopping and dancing and giggling and leg-crossing. Then, of course, the grand finale.

If the scene is "for real", there will come that final minute or two when her face gets red and she is holding her crotch for all it's worth and literally running around the room, probably laughing in between moans--only to quickly yank down her pants at the last minute and squat with a huge sigh of relief as she pees through her panties and onto the carpet.

Get the picture, photogs? images/smiles/icon_smile.gif You might use up a ton of tape (desperation has a way of waxing and waning for hours), but not to worry---I'll gladly come over and help you edit it (if I get to keep the outtakes. Deal?)

More of my great ideas:
http://www.volare.net/elfin21st/night54.htm

[Matt]

Hi!!!!

I can see you have some great ideas here, I would also like to see some of these included! HOWEVER, the title of this site is "WETTING-HER-PANTIES", does that not explain something? I can agree with you until Item 5, but from 6 onwards it sounds like you have indvertantly posted this message on the wrong board (no offence meant at all)!!!

The turn on for most of us here is the wet pants, although, to see some slightly more authentic photos wouldn't bother me! You mention humiliation - Skymouse has a number of boards, and the best (and value for money) I've ever seen in most cases. One of which is Diaper Punishment. Where, granted, punishment is the main theme. Everyone has a little bit of many different fetishes in them. Skymouse caters for this quite well in that he occasionally puts the odd bit of humiliation into a set, the odd bit of desperation, lots of wet pants, and forced wetting. There should be something to satisfy everyone, somewhere!

If he were to make specific photosets for A particulat type of fetish, without a hint of others, I think that his sites would be quite boring - Variety is the spice of life!!!!!!!!!

But, again, I think you have some good suggestions in your first few points!!!

Regards,

Matt images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Anonymous]

AHHHHH....now then one of you pantie wetting guys need to produce the list for 'just' pantie wetting.....

I know someone here can do that, really I have faith in all of you!!!!

THE WIFE WAITS!!!!

T

[Infinity]

"W" has a good point - many of them in fact. However, I think that in general, actual losing control is more interesting than the person in question getting to a toilet in time. But, as "W" implied, the bits that come first are the most important. The little things. The subtle fidgeting and so forth. The majority of desperation clips I've seen so far are badly acted and also do not concentrate enough on these subtleties. Vis, they are not as interesting as they could be.

[Anonymous]

I think amateur desperation films would be more interesting than professional ones. But I've never seen many. Does anyone know of any? ...I mean just some ordinary camcorder footage of girls just sitting or standing around talking, doing homework, or whatever...but with all those little tell-tale signs we all recognize becoming more and more obvious as time goes by.

[Anonymous]

Lots of good points here. If I may add my 2cents, though.
I enjoy desperation, especially when it leads to a wetting and the bigger the wetting the more I enjoy it. It seems that the amount of time it would take to depict the desperation would detract from the final product.
I mean who would pay upwards of $50 for a two hour tape with scads of desperation leading up to a single wetting, or relief scene? There would be production issues related to capturing the desperation signs (goosebumps on the forearms, sly crotch grabbing, etc.) which would be difficult to capture while maintaining continuity throughout a long series. Amateurs seem the way to go though.
Until the emergence of Patches, X-Streams and the like in the last 5 years, I have not seen many vids which even capture what a wetting is.
I am not trying to make waves here, just my thoughts.
Derektor_2000

[Anonymous]

I agree with most of the original posting . What he is describing a pure desperation fetish. You can like desperation and wetting just desperation, a women trying to hide her signs, a women bent over,humilition the all but forgotten Golden Shower or all of the above. No one or many interests is better then another.
Personally I am just as frustrated in not seeing those films he mentioned as he is. But you have to understand the people are not working on Steven Speilbergs budget. If a shot is screwed up they can not sit around waiting for 12 hours to get it right again. The "actresses" most of the time are not into it they are porno actresses doing it to support their drug habit or pay for college etc.
If you read the video reviews bellow even though I am more of a hold it then wetting fan I liked the wetting videos better because you could tell effort went into it so that is the key.
So to end this I will repeat the Rolling Stones line I have used earlier "You can't always get what you want but you can get what you need"

[quietpr]

OK...I'll throw in my 2 cents.

I am personally a fan of true desperation ledaing to a loss of control, leading to a resignation and enjoyment of the relief.

Maybe I'm in a minority here when I say I'm *NOT* into the random nudity or the prolonged butt shot you often get in a desperation-resignation video. I personally find it a huge turn off when the girl's shirt just happens to pop open (seems way too contrived), and I hate it how the woman almost always turns her back to the camera and leans forward in some way so the camera guy can zoom right in on her butt...I personally would rather see her FACE!! Look her in the eye...so what she's feeling...

I agree with Creek that ameteur film always has and always will appear more natural, more realistic, and reflect our interests more successfully. Unforunately ameteur video is very hard to come by.

I think providers of fetish film should hire people who arte actually into the fetishes they're selling. That's not as difficult as it may sound. You'd be surprised at the number of people who if they read an ad asking for people who want to make money doing what they love, might consider it.

I'm also not a fan of hardcore porn...I think it cheapens the act of sex and ruins the eroticism of a scene more than helps it.

I only wish I had a lot of money to spend...if I did, I'd be out there trying to produce the kind of entertainment we're all looking for. images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

sorry to deviate from the topic a bit.

Bottom line...what I want to see is well acted desperation for a good reason as <w> put it, but I'd like to see that lead up to an actual loss of control...maybe even some of it happening in a public setting (though this isn't required)...and want the intimate details there too...her initial gasp as she leaks, and covering her mouth with her hand...her shivering as she really starts to lose control...her regaining control temporarily then losing it completely...looking around to see if anyone has spotted her...surveying the damage after it's over...rubbing at the material of the clothing she's wet...testing her butt to see if it got wet...trying to hide the evidence with a coat...all of those details as well.

[Anonymous]

P>I agree with W. about the need for more real or credible desperation pics and especially videos. There is a wealth of material now for knicker-wetting enthusiasts but it does need to be said that desperation and wetting are not the same thing (although obviously one can lead to the other!) Some of the Skymouse clips are good - the
recent one of Traci was one of the best - but with the photosets I don't often look beyond the first 4 or 5 pics.</P>
<P>The best desperation is in the Giga movies though they are so difficult to get hold of in the UK. I have seen 7 or 8 and my favourite scene was in XO.04 of a girl waiting for a train. She is hopping from foot to foot while buying a ticket and once on the platform just can't stand still. She walks around, jiggles about, jokes with the cameramanabout her plight and you just know it is genuine. They have to wait something like 10 minutes for the train and only near the end is she once or twice caught furtively holding
herself. She wets herself on the train (what Giga obviously planned) but I find that embarrassing and would have preferred her to dash behind a wall or something.</P>
<P>I think a problem on the net is that movie clips only last 90 secs or so whereas a good desperation scene should go on much longer. An ideal scenario for me would be something like the above, say a girl with a boy friend waiting for a bus and clearly getting more and more desperate for a wee. Finally she confesses her plight and, red with embarrassment, dashes behind the bushes.</P>
<P>I think video makers are missing out on a market; maybe the new Projectpee site will come up with something.I love many of the Skymouse clips, and they're doing a grand service; but I wish thatmore often they would shoot the scenes in a credible desperation setting - outside a locked toilet or at a bus stop maybe. I suppose it has to be wetting on their site; but for many of us a wetting without desperation is like sex without foreplay.

[Anonymous]

Lots of great comments here!

<derektor_2000> made a good point about whether anyone would really spend money for 2 hours worth of figeting and one final pee. That certainly is something to consider. It's true that I usually feel like I've gotten my money's worth only if there are bunches of "action" scenes.

Maybe it calls for a little creative editing. What if, for example, you had Amy and Cindy soaking themselves and each other left and right at their weekly sleepover...and, meanwhile, the camera keeps cutting every couple of minutes to their friend Janie who is stranded somewhere with no place to pee. That way, we get to see a film loaded with action, while still keeping track of Janie's situation on the desperation front.

Just a thought. I'm like quietpr. If I had the money and knew some wet models, I think I'd take a shot at producing a film myself.

[quietpr]

I have many thoughts about good potential plot lines...I never set limits on which fetishes to focus on as long they're under the watersports umbrella...public, private, embarrassment, true public joy, wetting knickers, wetting clothes (those are different too...I find knicker wetting much less thrilling than clothing wetting), pure desperation, exhibitionism, shame/punishment, adult baby, freedom (like accounts I've read of people who never ever use a toilet to pee), golden shower (though this is my least favorite topic), distance peeing, caught in public squatting...

[Anonymous]

A lot of great solutions to my "dilemma". Now who can produce vids along these lines, and how to get genuine desperation fetishists for filming?
Derektor

[Anonymous]

For me, any good picture or video must inlude the ladies face and also where her stream is going (preferably somewhere naughty). The puddle must be shown. Whether clad or unclad, desparate or not, is irrelevant to me. It's the sheer naughtiness of wetting where she shouldn't that's the turn on for me.

[Anonymous]

I once had a girlfriend who enjoyed waiting till the very last minute. She would do a lot of things to prolong the wait and she said that turned her on. She would let me know she had to go, but would try as long as she could to not be real obvious about it.
She would start with just a little jiggling of her leg and would squirm occasionally in her seat. As time went on, she would start rubbing against things as she talked on the phone or did dishes or was cooking, or doing something else, all the while glancing at me to see if I noticed. The phone was my favorite situation for her and she'd sometimes call up a girlfriend and talk on the phone. She'd do all of the little subtle things while talking and would get a little more outrageous as time wore on and she got more desperate. One time she even went on the back deck and straddled the railing and did sort of a sitting pee dance on it.
those are the things that reaaly turn on the true desperation fan. I've tried to get custom vids done, but no one seems to get the idea.

[Anonymous]

The one word I pick up here is "she".
I cant figure why so many persons into watersports and wetting dont mention male wetting to any degree.
I see the demise of several other boards probably due to the non existent writings of boy/man/male desperation and wettings.
Sure we all love girls wetting their pants and all that but surely there are some sharp dudes out there that are peeing away and not many stories are written about that.
Many of us like a little bit of everything something new as well as seeing and reading some of the old stuff.....

[Infinity]

quietpr, I agree that the girl's facial expression is arguably the most interesting viewpoint. I personally would find it a lot more interesting to watch a girl's face and read her feelings therein.

[Infinity]

fidgetfan, I don't believe I have the particular Giga clip you mention. Could you possibly let me have a copy?

The network I'm using is having problems with file transfers at the moment, but when it's working properly, I would appreciate it.

Regards,
Infinity.