Female Desperation winks section

[Grant]

As much as I love this website, I don't understand why genuine wettings - well they look like they are - are put in the winks section. For example, picture numbers desp5817, 5818, 5821, 5840 and 5841 all look real to me. I've actually viewed them already in webshots, and there's no reason to believe they are spills. Perhaps, one or two are, but we'll never no for certain. I'm just surprised these pics have all been passed off as winks. From my point of view, they all appear to be genuine wettings.

There have been quite a few previous wink pics that I also think are genuine wettings. I guess Ger is more suspicious of these pics than I am.

Grant. :?

[Ape]

The site says:

"It's not Real Desperation... it's not Real Wetting... Spilled water?... Just a shadow?... Or is it real?"

suggesting some may be real, but put in there because it's more fun!

After all, he puts a lot of wetting pictures in a site that's labelled "Female Desperation", so the labels aren't rigid, I suspect.

At the first page, it says:

"These pages are dedicated to people who like to see women dying for a pee.

That means you will hardly see wet pants..."

Yeah, right, Ger!!

[Lloyd]

Grant and Ape, thanks for bringing this to my attention! I haven't bothered looking at winks because the few I have looked at in the past were so obviously not wettings, but now I see that there are quite a few, and more of the sort that I think I am into - real ones, not staged, but rather candid, sometimes humorous, sometimes unhappy. Some seem to make an attempt to pretend or imply that it's a spill. Some are showing off the results. Don't forget that especially at parties, people really do pee their pants, and the mood is probably going to be such that people take photos of it for fun. Have a look at these:

page 33
desp5182 - laughing at herself
desp5198 - this one is definitely real from Webshots about a girl on diuretics
desp5162

page 34
desp5249 - unhappy and being consoled by boyfriend
desp5217 - how did she get so drenched if not by wetting?
desp5222
desp5225
desp5221 (but the cup is popcorn)
desp5216 - is this really beer? I don't think so - unless it was very carefully and deliberately poured
desp5276 - actually, even looks like she could be doing it right there

page 35
desp5362 - this girl's not happy to have her picture taken in wet shorts
desp5380
desp5390
desp5392 - does anyone actually believe this is from spilt wine?
desp5309 - this shows wet jeans from a wetting by one being shown off by the other, but not a pattern that most would call an obvious wetting.

page 36
desp5456 - I'm not even sure she's not still going...
desp5458
desp5463

page 38
desp5714
desp5704 - not sure about this one, but how did she get wet like this, otherwise?
desp5716 - I don't think this is drink
desp5720 - remember the wet jeans in desp5309?
desp5718 is almost certainly real


And so the list goes on. There are lots more, and we haven't even started yet!

I'm pretty certain we're throwing out the baby with the bathwater in an effort to find the wettings that can be nothing else. The only ones we are going to be able to be certain of are the ones that show it actually happening, and most of those will be Sky's or WetSet's models and those are staged. These candid pics are much more real to my mind...

Lloyd.

[Ger]

Hi all,

It's sometimes very difficult to judge what is a real wetting and what is just a spill. Even if the original text with the picture says "I peed my pants" or something like that, it doesn't mean that it's true. A lot of pictures with that text just show a woman with a wet spot somewhere, not even close to the crotch area.

On the other hand; there are a lot of pictures that say "I spilled my drink" but give me the impression there's more going on than just a spill. Especially the ones at parties. There are a lot of pictures that give me the idea that the woman did wet herself a bit, because of laughing or whatever, and threw a drink over herself to cover her accident. If I have doubts that it's a real wetting, I put them in the wink section. But I'm sure that there are pictures there that are real. I'm also sure that there are pictures in the normal section that are not real. I guess that only the woman in the picture can tell us what really happened...

You mention a picture of a girl in shorts. If I remember well, the original text was something like "Don't put shorts over a wet bikini or it will look like you peed yourself". Tja...

Like I said... it's often hard to judge. Just don't skip the wink section I would say and judge for yourself.

Ger.

[Lloyd]

Ger,

I'm sure no matter what the text said, the girl in the shorts did not put them on over a wet bikini. Such picks have a very distinctive wet pattern, bikini shaped when very wet, getting smaller and smaller as the bikini dries, but still with a distinctive shape. Anything that could make as big a wet patch in her shorts but not with that shape has to be a wetting. Besides, she looks a bit pissed off (pardon the pun) that her pic is being taken.

I'm sure you are correct, Ger, that there are some pics in the wetting and desperation section that are not real, and some in the wink section that are. In fact, other than those from Sky's site, there are more real wettings in the wink section to my mind than there are in the wetting and desperation section. It's just we have no firm way of knowing, especially not from the text, apparently! :)

Lloyd.

[aquarian]

I guess we will never know. But, from my perspective, it is inconsequential, as for me, deducing whether or not the pic is real can be quite entertaining. Moreover, they are free and interesting enough in themselves. Enough to keep little me happy. So, thanks Shara and Ger.

Aquarian

[Ape]

LOL, Lloyd, you don't know that the girl in the shorts is annoyed at having her pic taken - she could be smirking, or just in the middle of saying something - there are a million interpretations. If she is so pissed off at having her pic taken with her pissing herself, why is she not moving at all, making no effort to cover up, just sat there. The logic is lacking, Lloyd! As for the wet patch, it could just as easily be a wet bikini underneath. I have seen a million ways wet bikinis can look. Sorry, but sometimes people are just as hopeful as Dirk over on Wetset, who used to think so many blatant winks are real. It is always the ones who seem most naive (college/school students all peeing themselves all the time springs to mind, Lloyd!) I think the joy with the Wink section is simply that it is in the eye of the beholder - we can all have our views, and whatever pleases us is what counts. But the one thing I have learnt from years of studying Webshots and Female Desperation is you can never be sure. Cameras, photos, human beings and wetting all combine to make nothing certain.

Just enjoy it, however you want to.

[Grant]

There's a great picture of 3 girls in white shirts (desp5890, middle row on page 188) where one of the girls looks extremely desperate. Does anyone know if it's from webshots, and if so, what was the heading for the picture? And there's one of a desperate girl in front of a mirror on the bottom row on page 187 (desp5858) - is this from webshots as well? It's a shame the words aren't pasted onto the pictures anymore.

Grant. :)

[Ger]

It's kinda funny. Everytime we have a picture that Grant thinks comes from Webshots but didn't see a link to it somewhere he asks everyone about the story behind it. Not all of them come from Webshots Grant! We have our own sources too you know. And we have good reasons to keep them just "our sources".

Ger.

[Grant]

Yes Ger, bloody hilarious. If you bothered to read my post properly, you would have noticed I wrote, "Does anyone know if it's from webshots..." to both of the pictures in question. Yes I know their not all from webshots! All I was asking if anybody knew where they came from. I'm not going to know the answer unless I ask the question, idiot. Get off of your high horse.

Grant. :evil:

[bspider]

Calm down, Grant, no need to fall out! ;)

[Ger]

Don't let me be misunderstood Grant. I don't have a horse and according to my wife and friends I'm not an idiot either. :lol:

I just wanted to say that it's amazing that you seem to know all of the webshots you once saw, and immediately notice one that you haven't seen before. You must have a pretty good memory.

I put on pictures on our site more than once thinking that they are new, and find out a few days later that I already put that same picture on a few months ago. And I really would swear that I have never seen it before. With a lot of webshots that I see I have no idea if I saw it before. (If it doesn't have a recent pic #)

Once again, you have a great memory or my memory is fading away. Could be both too. :wink:

Ger.

[Crazyhorse]

You should drink the Grolsch more slowly, Ger. That will save your memory. :wink:

Although by the way this thread is going I shall probably be accused of suggesting that Ger has a drink problem :roll:

I dont know. I think most women would not want their photo taken with wet jeans if they had peed them, so any with the woman looking directly into the camera and with a wide smile on her face could be seen as fakes, likewise the desperation. If you are dancing around with one hand between your legs and someone points a camera at you, you are hardly likely to smile politely.

I will now retire to my flame proof shelter.

[Grant]

Crazyhorse, I have to say I disagree with your viewpoint on women not wanting their picture taken with wet jeans or being desperate. From what I've seen, most of the pics weren't planned in advance but there are (what appears to me) loads of women with pee-wet patches and genuinely holding their crotches. I think a lot of women are more laid back about these circumstances nowadays than you think, and don't mind if a picture is taken of them wet or desperate. To me, the situation is viewed by the women in question as rather comical and not a need to feel hugely embarrassed about. I don't mean all of the pictures have this atmosphere, but a great majority do - in my opinion. As I've pointed out before, I think quite a few in Ger's winks section are genuine wettings, but I suppose the beauty of this is we will never really find out the true story about them. Each person has their own thoughts on whether they are spills or genuine wettings. Although, all this is just my opinion - I know many of you will disagree with me.

Ger, I don't think I have the best memory in the world, but I'm pretty good at remembering whether I've seen a picture before. If I see a picture in your site that I haven't seen in Webshots before, sometimes I think I may have missed it there. However, from now on, (to keep the peace) I will not enquire about such pictures - I will assume they are from your other sources. You are very lucky to receive such pictures - my problem is I want to know the story behind each one, and it's frustating when I don't know it. Although, if it wasn't for you, we would never be fortunate enough to see these pics in the first place. So I hope you continue to post them for a long time - but you won't be bothered by me about them again! I just wish you re-introduced the comments on the pictures, although I realise you stopped because others didn't like them there. Now, I will get off of my high horse!

Grant. :)

[Crazyhorse]

Well, (and this is only my personal opinion. And I know that it will be contradicted by many, but that is half the fun :roll: .)

I dont believe any of the photos that depict a woman with both hands to her crotch are real desperation pictures. Yes, the woman might need a pee, but the both hands usually as fists are what a woman does when exagerrating, or showing off. Just ask a woman (if you dare) to pretend she needs a pee and this is what she does. Point a camera in her face when drunk and make her laugh and she may do a similar.

Proper desperate women have a problem that they are not so inclined to share with the outside world, and that is they are in dire need of a pee and dont want to reveal just how bad it is. The hand to the crotch is almost a involuntary reaction, but most times it is restrained in case people are looking. If not then it takes one particular form, but is only one hand not in a fist and the thumb is used more as a lever.

[Ape]

Grant has a very sweet naive side to him - he believes the ladies on the webcam are genuine (such as when they talk of real wettings) and he believes that all those photos of women peeing themselves are real. Maybe you're right, Grant. And if it's real to you, who can naysay you!?

:roll:

[Grant]

Oh dear, Ape. Judging by your post, you believe the webcam ladies are not genuine (even when they go into detail about their own wettings and show a general enthusiasm for it), and all those photos of women wetting themselves aren't real either - that's sad, well for you anyway. But hey, maybe YOU are right, but wouldn't it be a bitter and sad world if everybody shared your negative point of view?

If you prefer to believe the webcam models are all imposters and are lying through their teeth, I'm guessing you're a person who doesn't trust many people, and probably doesn't believe a word of things unless you see it for yourself. Like the pictures of the women wetting themselves - I guess you need to be there and see it to really believe it.

I'd hardly call it a "sweet naive side" (as you sickeningly put it), but just my choice to believe in several women who come across as being genuine and truthful, and a belief that some pictures may be genuine wettings. I'd rather be like this than share your paranoid attitude towards things.

Grant. :roll:

[Ape]

Oh dear, Ape. Judging by your post, you believe the webcam ladies are not genuine (even when they go into detail about their own wettings and show a general enthusiasm for it), and all those photos of women wetting themselves aren't real either - that's sad, well for you anyway. But hey, maybe YOU are right, but wouldn't it be a bitter and sad world if everybody shared your negative point of view?

If you prefer to believe the webcam models are all imposters and are lying through their teeth, I'm guessing you're a person who doesn't trust many people, and probably doesn't believe a word of things unless you see it for yourself. Like the pictures of the women wetting themselves - I guess you need to be there and see it to really believe it.

I'd hardly call it a "sweet naive side" (as you sickeningly put it), but just my choice to believe in several women who come across as being genuine and truthful, and a belief that some pictures may be genuine wettings. I'd rather be like this than share your paranoid attitude towards things.

Grant. :roll:

I am not paranoid, Grant - what's paranoid about it? Have I ever said that NO pictures are genuine, or NO webcam girls are genuine? I just look at the evidence:

wetting: generally seen by society as unwanted, unwelcome and unhygienic

people who wet: see above

people who wet accidentally: see above

people who smile after they wet accidentally:
EITHER completely ignoring society's taboos OR THEY HAVEN'T WET.

Sure, SOME might be the former, but you want ALL of them to be. Suddenly, an uprising has begun amongst young, attractive American women to defeat societal taboos and celebrate the joy of wetting.

There's a psychological phenomenon known as the Fundamental Attribution Error, which basically states that your motivation colours how you see reality. In my case, I am motivated to believe that not EVERYTHING should be taken at face value. I admit some would call that cynicism, but are you really saying we should take EVERYTHING at face value? Well, maybe you are. Because in YOUR case, you love the thought of a genuine wetting so much that you see it everywhere.

It's not cynical to question the authenticity of pictures, Grant, especially bearing in mind that everyone on this board knows that our fetish is not an acknowledged or popular one. We are not paedophiles, but many would rank us not far above them. And yet you think all these girls are indulging in the fetish quite openly, posting pictures on the worldwide web for all to see?

Somehow, it doesn't feel like I have lost touch with reality. I trust loads of people, but I wouldn't instantly trust someone walking towards me on a dark night with a knife. Does that make me cynical? Or you naive?

[Grant]

Ape, you said, "people who smile after they wet accidentally:
EITHER completely ignoring society's taboos OR THEY HAVEN'T WET." Why is it so hard for you to believe that they may think it's humorous? I've read many stories of sightings where the person who has witnessed a wetting has said the girl or girls in question have giggled during and after the wetting. Not all, but a good many of them. It's not hard to believe this. And if the person who has wet in the picture didn't see the funny side, it's probable they would not have let the picture be posted at webshots or anywhere else on the net.

I'm not saying every single picture has this story behind it, even though you said, "Sure, SOME might be the former, but you want ALL of them to be." No, I don't want all of them to be genuine wettings. I never said that. I will simply believe in the pictures that I think are genuine wettings, unless there is proof otherwise.

You may think my belief that they are really wet colours how I see reality, but I think you're wrong. I have personally seen a few girls with wet patches when walking down the street, but I don't automatically think they've wet themselves. There could be another reason for the wet patch, but I will only think the girl has wet herself if it looks obvious. Just like the pictures on the internet. I may get some wrong, but we'll never know the true story, will we? That's the beauty of it - not really knowing what actually happened. It's up to the person looking at the photo to make up their own mind.

You also said, "We are not paedophiles, but many would rank us not far above them." Well, that's their problem, and if they think that, they are blissfully ignorant of what watersports is really about. Although, I do think more people are open-minded to it today than 10-15 years ago. It will always be a taboo sexual fetish, but I think it's less taboo than in the past.

You also said,"And yet you think all these girls are indulging in the fetish quite openly, posting pictures on the worldwide web for all to see?" Once again, you use the word "all." I never said I believed they are all genuine wettings. They haven't blatantly indulged in it - a series of events has led to the point where the picture has been taken, and in most cases, it probably wasn't planned - it just happened.

No, I wouldn't trust someone walking towards me on a dark night with a knife either - that situation isn't open up to interpretation like the pictures we've discussed, so I don't see the connection. But to answer your final question, am I naive? - no. And are you cynical? - yes. We could argue about this for evermore, but we'll never agree on it. Such is life.

Grant.

[Ger]

So Grant and others. Where would you for instance post a picture like this? Wink or not? Or not posting it at all? Perhaps she had a sudden itch...
I'm not gonna make a habbit of posting links like this, just want to let you see for a change how difficult it often is to decide if a picture is on topic or not or shouldn't be posted at all.

Ger.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/330503717/330677208uFsCbA

[Grant]

If her right foot wasn't raised behind her left leg, I would think it's an itch or a slight chance she needs to pee. However, as she has raised her right foot, I'm more likely to believe she needs to pee. Unless she also has an itch behind her left leg as well as in her crotch, which I think is unlikely.

Of course, like many other pictures, we will never know the real reason - it's up to each person to decide for themselves. As for where to post it, I would put it in the "real" section, but that's just my personal view of the picture. If you think she doesn't need to pee, I'm sure you'll post it in the "winks" section. You've already posted many other pictures of women with their hands over their crotches, so I doubt this particular one will look out of place. I'm just curious how you managed to find it, because there's no reference to the positioning of her hand.

Grant. :)

[Crazyhorse]

Well, for what its worth, I think that is one of the most genuine photos I've seen for a long time.

After all the scenario is pretty easy to conjure up:- A group of girls at a party, getting drunk and trying not to pee too often and draw attention to themselves. One holds on for a time waiting for her mates to go, but has no luck for a while and is on the point of going herself when they all get involved in a group photo which takes time getting everyone in the picture and getting the whole thing set up. By this time she is bursting but the alcohol has lowered her inhibitions and as well as standing on one foot, her hand automatically migrates to between her legs without her really thinking, and she just smiles for the camera unaware of how the photo will look. What would have been marvellous would be to have had a video of all this.