Sahara in the newspaper

[Sunway]

Having read Sky's information regarding Tuesday night's TV programme featuring Sahara, I thought you might like to know that there is a full page article about her in today's "Sun" newspaper. (April 25th).

She is billed as "UK's only Muslim Porn Star."

[leahfl1976]

She is billed as "UK's only Muslim Porn Star."

I thought she was Indian. . . I really hate the media. It's so stupid, if she was Muslim, shouldn't she be wearing a turban? I don't see WHY the news is going to her. It's not like she robbed a bank and the news added she killed somebody just for kicks.

[bspider]

Oh, now that's responsible journalism. Just wait for the extremists to start in on her. :(

Boris.

[WT]

Leah,

I suspect that there are some Muslim Indians, although they will be in a minority to Hindus, Sikhs and maybe some Christians. It is Sikhs who wear turbans and, I believe, only men. I don't know Sahara's ethnic origin but she has a nice English regional accent so I reckon that she is British!

[Ger]

if she was Muslim, shouldn't she be wearing a turban?

In what century do you live?

Ger.

[leahfl1976]

Well, around the 9/11 attacks, there was a ton of news with the Muslims and how they wear turbans. I saw on some Non-Fictional TV (mostly the Discovery Channel) shows when people go to the middle east and the Female Muslims were in their church-like setting (I don't know what it's called, so I won't just say something) and they were all wearing turbans.

I am sorry if I startled anybody with what I thought knew.

[WD12]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,5-2005190403,00.html

Too bad they don't show the whole article.

[WT]

I'm at the limit of my knowledge here, but I think the Muslim female dress is called a burkha. It covers much of the head leaving the eyes visible and the rest of the body. Muslims pray in mosques.

The turban worn by Sikh men is a means of wrapping their hair up as their religion forbids them from cutting it and looks very different, sitting on top of the head like a hat would.

That's about all I can remember on the subject from my comparative religion classes 30 years ago...

I hope that the mistake is Leah's and that the US Discovery Channel isn't peddling incorrect and inflammatory nonsense about non-western religions. By contrast, the UK BBC is currently showing a series showing how much civilisation owes to developments in ancient cultures around the world, including Egyptian, Arab and Chinese.

[Holly]

I'm at the limit of my knowledge here, but I think the Muslim female dress is called a burkha. It covers much of the head leaving the eyes visible and the rest of the body. Muslims pray in mosques.

The turban worn by Sikh men is a means of wrapping their hair up as their religion forbids them from cutting it and looks very different, sitting on top of the head like a hat would.

That's about all I can remember on the subject from my comparative religion classes 30 years ago...

I hope that the mistake is Leah's and that the US Discovery Channel isn't peddling incorrect and inflammatory nonsense about non-western religions. By contrast, the UK BBC is currently showing a series showing how much civilisation owes to developments in ancient cultures around the world, including Egyptian, Arab and Chinese.


Just to add to what WT says although Sahara says she is Indian, doesn't the Indian sub continent also include the countries of Bangladesh and Pakistan, which are predominantly Muslim whereas India is predominantly Hindu and Sikh?

Holly x :)

[Val]

India's predominately Hindu but a lot of Muslims stayed despite Partition (like Protestants in southern Ireland). As for dress, West African women wear a turban, whether Muslim or Christian but mostly Muslim women wear a headscarf, the Hijab there's been so much fuss about in France. God knows why the fuss since Catholic women wore just the same sort of thing for the same (or even sillier) reasons and older ones still do. So do Orthodox. She loks very white. There was a BBC broadcast a while back about the 'Nabobs'. This is when the East India Company was still taking India over long before Victoria's government rescued it from their multi-national clutches. A lot of their resident employees 'went native', converted to Islam or Hinduism and settled down as subjects of the Moghul Empire. Nobody seems to have thought anything odd about it. But they must have descendents in the oldest of the Anglo-Indians.

[Sunway]

I'm quoting the leader of the arcticle:

"SAEEDA VORAJEE grew up in a strict Muslim family. She wore the hijab headscarf from the age of five and visited the mosque daily. She kept her first boyfriend, a Sikh, a secret for three years after dating him aged 18. When she admitted to the relationship, her parents forced her to end it. Saeeda does not smoke, eat meat or drink alcohol, she has a prayer mat and a Koran.

But her career choice has left her shunned by both family and faith. Saeeda, or Sahara Knite, as she is now known, is the UK's only Muslim porn star".

[~*~ k a t e ~*~]

Why is this even considered news?

She's religious and she's a porn actress; good for her. I'm pretty sure that Sahara welcomes the article in The Sun, anyway, since it'll drum up interest for the documentary on her tomorrow, and probably get her more work.

[WT]

OK, she wore the hijab (scarf) then, rather than the all-over burkha. Thanks Sunway. Good luck to her, I say! And I look forward to seeing her again on a web cam... :D

[skymouse]

By the way, you can see a sample gallery of her porn site here:

http://www.knicker-wetting.com/links/sahara/gal4/gallery4.htm


SM

[Frodo]

Leahfl: I've learned that the Discovery Channel is not the best source for solid information. Some of their programs have stretched the factual envelope, and they seem more apt to entertain than inform.

[bspider]

Some of their programs have stretched the factual envelopeThat's very nearly as good as Winston's famous line about "terminological inexactitude"! :)

Never trust a single source without checking, unless you're really, really sure of it. Even the BBC (Even!) has limits in this regard, I'm afraid. It's better than most, or at least, so I believe, but not faultless.
Far, far better than Discovery or The History Channel, though!
Boris.

[Ape]

Why is this even considered news?

She's religious and she's a porn actress;

Well, it seems pretty interesting, as I am unsure how she reconciles being a practising Muslim with her career. I mean it sounds rather like a Roman Catholic who carries out abortion for a living - completely the opposite of what the religion expects of its followers. Maybe I misunderstand Islam, but I would be interested to hear how Sahara reconciles the two - does the Sun article have anything on that?

[Ooze]

A wetting in a Burkha would a novelity! Sky, can this be arranged for Sahara's next show?

[skymouse]

A wetting in a Burkha would a novelity! Sky, can this be arranged for Sahara's next show?

Oy gevalt ... I'll end up with a Fatwa against me :!:

[DavidEngland99]

Sky,

Do you think the government would give you years of protection like they gave to Salman Rushdie? You might end up doing wet shoots from secret hideaways with armed police in the wings!

I've just watched the C4 program - Sahara looked great in her wet knickers, but I guess it was not her thing, so I guess you will not get a repeat performance.

Seriously, I do hope she has not exposed herself to any danger.

David

[skymouse]

David, I expect she'll be fine - she seems to have given the whole thing some serious consideration in the first place.

She told the camera that it wasn't quite a sexual thing for her, but don't take that too seriously - she was being a little coy and I'm sure she enjoyed it well enough to want to come back soon.

SM

[Grant]

David, I think you're wrong about it not being Sahara's thing. I remember her saying during a webcam show that she was into wetting herself in her own time too, and recalled a recent wetting or two. I think she has also written here in the past about her liking for wetting. And she did return and do another webcam show with another model. Has the highlights for that been done yet?

Am I right in saying Sahara has left the UK to continue her "adult entertainment" (it sounds more professional than porn) career? Or I may have picked it up wrong. I certainly hopes she returns for another webcam show. She has a bubbly and outgoing personality together with very good looks.

Grant. :)

[Shark]

The Burkha is not a muslim thing it is a middle eastern thing it is not something you'll see all over malaysia for example, the is nothing in any Islamic text about such things, they are cultral things that came about with coping with living in the arabian and sahara desert.

[DavidEngland99]

Grant - I'de like to think of Sahara wetting herself for pleasure as well - that is great!

Shark - All religions seem to be like that. They pick up customs over the ages and then pretend that God had commanded it from the very beginning! All the anti-sex stuff in Christianity (particularly Catholicism) came in centuries after the time of Christ, and was borrowed from other religions! The New Testament seems to be far more concerned with the evils of money!

I have grown ever more suspicious of organised religions of all types - they share something in common with Tony Blair :evil:

David

[Ape]

David, I think you're wrong about it not being Sahara's thing. I remember her saying during a webcam show that she was into wetting herself in her own time too, and recalled a recent wetting or two.

Yeah, and I'm sure she was telling the truth, too! Like all the other girls. No, really, none of them lie for the sake of the audience/money!

[skymouse]

Ape - obviously there's an element of show business - it's in the nature of entertainment that you can't regard everything as cold, impartial biography. On the other hand, all of the girls make it clear to me that they genuinely enjoy the stuff they do for us - the resulting atmosphere is one of the big pleasures of working the way we do. This is entirely as it appears.

Moreover - you'll find there are plenty of people who are able to enjoy what they're doing AND enjoy the money as well. The two are not mutually exclusive :)

SM

[DavidEngland99]

Ape,

It is possible to be too cynical, you know! One of the nice things about our little fetish is that it seems to be shared by both sexes.

David

[Val]

It is a bit surprising coming from that religion and background though. When it comes to burkha, there are quite a lot of Malaysians or something of the sort here, and they wear the headscarf. The most sinister is the full black or white Burqa - looks like the Spanish Inquisition!

But when it comes to religious 'repression' (after all, most here at least choose to wear the thing) on my way to work this morning, I was walking behind a couple of women covered in white edged pale blue (bit like the Israeli flag) from hair down to the floor with a black coat over that, turned to see if the faces were veiled too and realised they were African nuns.

If there is a God he's either mad like some deviant Christians thought and not the real God or else he's looking down thinking "When will they stop squabbling over the clothes and the food and silly little things and try the really hard thing of learning to live together like I keep trying to tell them".

[Aaron]

Until last nights program I hadnt given a thought to what the effects of her career move would be on her family especially from being from such a strict religion. I think that she is very brave.

By the way I can hear the Indian influence in her accent.

[Grant]

Ape wrote:
Yeah, and I'm sure she was telling the truth, too! Like all the other girls. No, really, none of them lie for the sake of the audience/money!

I guess Ape loves being a cynic about these things. However, if the models say to Skymouse off air that they're into it, it just makes him look increasingly wrong in these matters.

Grant. :lol:

[Val]

If the models aren't into it because girls are all sweet creatures only doing such degrading things for The Patriachy blah blah, what does that say about Holly and Kate and Ixpee and the other women on this site? They're all men playing up? They're so dim they've been 'conditionned' to please men? If men can like it, why not assume women can too instead of raising doubts just because women were supposed to pretend s*x too shocking to contemplate?

[Ape]

There's a simple reason why I find it hard to believe. I don't think women generally are "sweet, innocent" etc. Val, I think they are as complex as human beings tend to be. However, I have doubts about those on this site for the same reason as I would have doubts about men doing it. Money. Now, if all Sky's girls found more well paid work elsewhere, and had some spare time, and still did it, THEN I might think they have the same motivation as Kate, Ixpee et al. But you can bet your bottom dollar that MOST of Sky's models do it for the money, NOT because they enjoy it. Sure, some of them may well have managed to combine both, and I accept that the ones that come looking for Sky, do enjoy it. But look at how many models do it once and then disappear, look at how many do it for a while and then disappear. Again, of course they have other commitments etc., but a large number just do it for the money. It's a job. And guess what, Val, both men and women do those!

And as for, specifically, Sahara - did she explain on tv or indeed anywhere else how she squares being a devout Muslim with her chosen career? I am not saying it is impossible, I am sure some Ummas could make a case for it, just as some Catholic theologians could try and justify abortion within the faith. But, the reality is that you cannot always square something like religion with something like glamour modelling. Just as you can't always believe everything webcam entertainers say during a webcam! That's not cynical, that's realism!

[~*~ k a t e ~*~]

And as for, specifically, Sahara - did she explain on tv or indeed anywhere else how she squares being a devout Muslim with her chosen career?

Sahara herself was never asked explicitly about it in the programme, but it seemed to me that it was implied that she isn't a devout muslim, merely that she was raised that way and the rest of her family are devout muslims. The article in The Sun maybe sought to sensationalise the religion/porn juxtaposition, as you'd expect.

[Adrian]

I saw the first half of the programme on Tuesday night which included Saharah's wetting scene. Unfortunately I wasn't able to watch the whole programme as, like a lot of people, I have to get up in a morning and go to work and there are limits! As you can probably imagine it took me a while to get to sleep! Like others who've posted here though I was very surprised by Saharah's comments which suggested that she wasn't turned on by it herself, especially as she supposedly has a website devoted to wetting. Perhaps that's something she could clear up for us? Maybe she had to say what she did for the sake of the camera - or alternatively the programme may have been filmed before her interest fully developed.

:o

[Adrian]

What surprised me most though was that a paper which I thought would cover it the following morning, didn't. On Wednesday morning I dashed out to buy a copy of the Daily Sport, fully expecting to see something about it, only to be let down badly and find it didn't even merit a mention. I thought this particularly strange in view of the coverage given to Paula's pit stop in the marathon. Unfortunately I couldn't very well return to the newsagent and ask for a refund!

:o

[DavidEngland99]

Adrian,

When you think about it, what would your reaction have been if someone at work had said, "Did you see that woman wetting herself for some perverts to watch!" My guess is that you would have covered up your interest in wetting pretty thouroughly! That is the problem - nobody really knows what others think about this subject - even when they ask straight out!

Even if you are making a wetting video, maybe you are to admit you actually like it!

David

[Adrian]

DavidEngland99 wrote:


When you think about it, what would your reaction have been if someone at work had said, "Did you see that woman wetting herself for some perverts to watch!" My guess is that you would have covered up your interest in wetting pretty thouroughly! That is the problem - nobody really knows what others think about this subject - even when they ask straight out!

Even if you are making a wetting video, maybe you are to admit you actually like it!



I don't think those with an interest in consensual, adult wetting can justly be described as 'perverts' - a horrible word if ever there was one. Rather they've just got a slightly unusual interest which isn't widely or generally well understood.

However I get the gist of what you're saying. You're probably right in suggesting that had I been asked about it I'd more than likely have not owned up to watching the programme in question. I'd probably have said something along the lines of "Oh really? That sounds interesting/unusual!"

That said, I still don't understand why Saharah seemed to deny having any interest in it herself, especially as she's apparently got a website devoted to the subject - not that I've looked at it. By agreeing to be filmed for the programme she put herself in a position where she'd have had nothing to lose from saying that she actually enjoyed wetting.

What I really failed to understand is why a tabloid paper which is usually on the ball when it comes to reporting sexy stories managed to miss it completely.

:o

[DavidEngland99]

Can someone please post the address of Sahara's website - everyone keeps talking about it, but where is it?

Adrian - of course I agree about the word "pervert", but I was putting words into someone else's mouth!

David

[skymouse]

Can someone please post the address of Sahara's website - everyone keeps talking about it, but where is it?


Click here for Sahara Knite's Web Site (http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=900433-0003&PA=944688&HTML=http://www.saharagetsdirty.com/tour2)




SM

[Indigo]

And as for, specifically, Sahara - did she explain on tv or indeed anywhere else how she squares being a devout Muslim with her chosen career?

And do you really suppose that if she HAD, Ape, the footage would have ended anywhere other than on the cutting room floor???

That's not cynicism: just realism.

[Val]

Ape, my attitude to work is as negative as yours: I'm quite certain employment prevents really creative work from getting done and so does the poverty of unemployment. However that doesn't mean that especially in something like this, models can't take advantage of making money out of something they enjoy! Doesn't mean they all do or that prostitutes are nymphos but it does say that it's not the sort of thing anybody would ever do for money without some positive feelings about it, especially women with all the hang-ups traditional and feminist about showing themselves off sexily. Maybe there's a kind of hypocrisy, that you shouldn't gt paid for something you like anyway, but in that case a lot of us would be out of work! Not me though: I'd much rather get paid for wetting my pants than being nice to people dressed like the Queen of Sheba complaining they can't afford €5 for a dress and paying with a 50 :(

[Ape]

Val:

I wouldn't disagree with you on any of that, and I have never said NONE of the models enjoy it, but I suspect the vast majority do not find it very appealing. They can't say so, on webcam at least, because there are loads of people ogling them and fantasizing and to have models that just pissed themselves without any enthusiasm would not be very entertaining. But to believe just because a model who is being paid to do a webcam says she enjoys it just doesn't seem realistic to me. All prostitutes probably tell each fuck how good they are for similar reasons - please the client, please the money source. I would say it is not I who is cynical, MONEY is cynical.

Indigo:

Why? In a documentary about a Muslim porn model, such an insight into her character would be interesting and would enhance the piece. Far more likely that she doesn't square it and instead of cuttings on the editing suite floor, the devout Muslim bit is simply bullshit made up by the Sun/filmmakers. If twere true, then they would have every reason to include her explanation as it makes for much more interesting television.

[Val]

Ape, on the subject of cynicism, see my OT Rubbish Rant.